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Foster
· 1 year ago
Well, I am totally disgusted by the comment. I am forwarding this post to friends and colleagues in Seattle so they can judge for themselves if they want to deal with Williams Marketing.
Keep up the great work, Matt!
Stephanie
· 1 year ago
I sincerely hope that people do not judge the entire Williams Marketing team off of this one person. I work for Williams Marketing and nearly everyone here is very polite! And I agree with Matt. If you don't like the blog don't read it. Geez.
mattgoyer
· 1 year ago
Don't worry Stephanie I know a few great people on the Williams team and wouldn't judge them all by one snarky comment.
Cosmo Seattle
· 1 year ago
hi matt- this is a really cool post, thanks for putting it out for discussion. it begs the question about the value of trolls. i do think trolls [can] add value to online discussion. although they tend to ask ridiculous questions and make ridiculous statements, they often stir up the conversation. but this can also go very wrong.
often a troll's ridiculous comments force a rational commenter to fully articulate their argument and thus make it both stronger and more understood by others. a good example of this was the recent DowntownGuy post. i learned quite a bit more about urban development because of some the ridiculous comments made by trolls. the risk of course is that a good troll can completely move the discussion off topic. there's another not so useful type of troll that hangs around the PI and the SLOG. from what ive seen there, too many ridiculous comments overwhelm the occasional thoughtful comment. there may be something to learn from the PI and SlOG commenters but I havent found it yet.
back to your post. it's a completely different kind of troll when someone from Williams Marketing or Vulcan or a PR firm is trolling anomalously. i think this is called a sockpuppeting rather than trolling. the difference is that a troll is usually interested in picking a fight or arguing and theyre often indifferent to the particular topic. a sockpuppet, on the other hand, is motivated by deception. it's about changing or misleading public opinion and either weakening critiques or strengthening arguments about something important to them.
trolls are sometimes entertaining and sometimes annoying, but sockpuppets are i dont know what to call them. deceptive perhaps. I wonder how prevalent this practice is. theres another case in recent memory (at the 2200 blog). but how many dont get caught? do you (or other readers) have any insight or any indication of how common sockpuppets are in other blogs?
Steve Snider
· 1 year ago
Personal attacks are LAME especially when they are anonymous. Shame on whoever wrote that.
mattgoyer
· 1 year ago
Cosmo, I think this is the 2nd or 3rd time I've 'caught' an industry insider posting something as someone else in the comments here. Hopefully it doesn't go undetected too often. I think its damaging when a marketing insider poses as a customer and posts something positive about a project when they aren't in fact a satisfied customer. I'd much rather hear from the insiders themselves. If they disagree with something I or anyone else writes here I prefer they post under their own name to respond.
Of course, what this thread really needs is Fake Leslie Williams :).
Jason
· 1 year ago
Shouldn't it be urbnbitchn.com? (Which is also available)
The Tim
· 1 year ago
I personally find trolls like this to be good for a laugh. Especially when you find out something interesting about where they're posting from, like this. I'd kind of miss them if they all went away.
EconE
· 1 year ago
What was it about your other post that warranted a comment such as that one?
The developers (and sales clerks) should realize that it's the consumers that supply them with their rapidly shrinking commission checks. The more that I see them bitch on your blog the more inclined I am to go long KFT.
They should also learn to treat us lowly renters with a little more respect as there are plenty of "us" downtown now who are "test driving" their "wares" and may ultimately decide to purchase one.
Even the people at Vulcan are cool to me when I show up at the Discovery Center. I wonder what kind of reception I would get if I visited a "Willams Development".
Just wait until Keith over at www.housingpanic.com starts to focus more on the Downtown Seattle condo market. They'll be coming to you begging for some good old fashioned "Goyer Bitching"
savan kong
· 1 year ago
If I were to talk smack to Matt, I'd do it to his face. It's more fun that way. But why would I wanna go and do that, huh?
Downtown Guy
· 1 year ago
Matt,
I applaud your objectivity as you post both sides of the market on your site. If a representatve from Williams Marketing chooses to read your blog and then ensue "mudslinging" upon you, please FEEL FREE TO NAME NAMES AND SNAIL MAIL THAT PERSON'S COMMENTS SHE DIRECTED AT YOU TO ALL THE CONSUMER CONTACTS YOU HAVE THROUGH THE REDFIN DATABASE. Personally, I'd find that to be hilarious. Seriously, though, I understand you cannot do that. But, let me say I am telling every contact I know to read this blog. I already know EXACTLY who wrote it from Williams Marketing based simply on the elementary verbiage of this IDIOT.
Personally, I feel the comments this person made from WILLIAMS MARKETING are incredibly indicative of how unprofessional, inconsiderate, and uneducated Seattle's marketing firms are in general - ESPECIALLY WILLIAMS MARKETING. I've yet to have a good experience with these amateurs. I would honestly say I've seen better used-car sales persons.
WAY TO GO, MATT!!!
Mike
· 1 year ago
The fact that a Williams Marketing employee would have posted such a comment from their office IP perfectly demonstrates the lack of technical knowledge and online marketing skills at agencies used by Seattle condo developments. What exactly does Williams Marketing offer real estate clients that the major local interactive agencies can't provide?
Avenue A | Razorfish, ZAAZ, and POP are just some of the Seattle-based interactive marketing agencies that would provide design, development, and performance marketing at a far superior level.
For example, Expo 62 hired the same branding and print gurus behind REI and Starbucks packaging and displays you see every day. However, for some reason Intracorp hired web developers that didn't even know that they needed to separate their meta keyword list with commas... search "expo 62 condos" on Google and you will see that expo62.com is nowhere near 1st position. In fact, try the same search without quotes and my own blog is 1st.
Downtown Guy
· 1 year ago
Mike,
Excellent point!!! Seattle marketing firms are nearing the bottom end of the gene pool when considering intelligence levels - or should I say lack there of? Leslie Williams, owner of Williams Marketing, should seriously consider hiring people that have at minimum an 8th-grade education. The problem with that you ask? With that would come employees that can actually "think" beyond the immediate 2 minutes of consequences before them, or "one up" the highest level of managerial intelligence within that hell hole they call a "company."
mattgoyer
· 1 year ago
Let's go easy on Williams Marketing as a whole (though I don't disagree that they would be well served hiring a strong technical marketing consultant.) We want to be better than them right? :)
nitsuj
· 1 year ago
"Normally Id delete the comment but it turns out someone from a Williams Marketing IP address left the comment."
PWNED...and cowardly that they posted anonymously
jo
· 1 year ago
I do give credit to Williams Marketing for being the only real esate marketing company in the area not to do range pricing and that reservation stuff.
seattle67
· 1 year ago
Urbnbitching...hmmm...could work if you expanded into a line of high-end accessories for small dogs.
Erica Lightley
· 1 year ago
In response to Downtown Guy I think by attacking Williams Marketing employees you are sinking as low as the person from Williams Marketing that made the negative comments in the first place. I think both attacks are unnecessary and Im sure others would agree.
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Keep up the great work, Matt!
often a troll's ridiculous comments force a rational commenter to fully articulate their argument and thus make it both stronger and more understood by others. a good example of this was the recent DowntownGuy post. i learned quite a bit more about urban development because of some the ridiculous comments made by trolls. the risk of course is that a good troll can completely move the discussion off topic. there's another not so useful type of troll that hangs around the PI and the SLOG. from what ive seen there, too many ridiculous comments overwhelm the occasional thoughtful comment. there may be something to learn from the PI and SlOG commenters but I havent found it yet.
back to your post. it's a completely different kind of troll when someone from Williams Marketing or Vulcan or a PR firm is trolling anomalously. i think this is called a sockpuppeting rather than trolling. the difference is that a troll is usually interested in picking a fight or arguing and theyre often indifferent to the particular topic. a sockpuppet, on the other hand, is motivated by deception. it's about changing or misleading public opinion and either weakening critiques or strengthening arguments about something important to them.
trolls are sometimes entertaining and sometimes annoying, but sockpuppets are i dont know what to call them. deceptive perhaps. I wonder how prevalent this practice is. theres another case in recent memory (at the 2200 blog). but how many dont get caught? do you (or other readers) have any insight or any indication of how common sockpuppets are in other blogs?
Of course, what this thread really needs is Fake Leslie Williams :).
The developers (and sales clerks) should realize that it's the consumers that supply them with their rapidly shrinking commission checks. The more that I see them bitch on your blog the more inclined I am to go long KFT.
They should also learn to treat us lowly renters with a little more respect as there are plenty of "us" downtown now who are "test driving" their "wares" and may ultimately decide to purchase one.
Even the people at Vulcan are cool to me when I show up at the Discovery Center. I wonder what kind of reception I would get if I visited a "Willams Development".
Just wait until Keith over at www.housingpanic.com starts to focus more on the Downtown Seattle condo market. They'll be coming to you begging for some good old fashioned "Goyer Bitching"
I applaud your objectivity as you post both sides of the market on your site. If a representatve from Williams Marketing chooses to read your blog and then ensue "mudslinging" upon you, please FEEL FREE TO NAME NAMES AND SNAIL MAIL THAT PERSON'S COMMENTS SHE DIRECTED AT YOU TO ALL THE CONSUMER CONTACTS YOU HAVE THROUGH THE REDFIN DATABASE. Personally, I'd find that to be hilarious. Seriously, though, I understand you cannot do that. But, let me say I am telling every contact I know to read this blog. I already know EXACTLY who wrote it from Williams Marketing based simply on the elementary verbiage of this IDIOT.
Personally, I feel the comments this person made from WILLIAMS MARKETING are incredibly indicative of how unprofessional, inconsiderate, and uneducated Seattle's marketing firms are in general - ESPECIALLY WILLIAMS MARKETING. I've yet to have a good experience with these amateurs. I would honestly say I've seen better used-car sales persons.
WAY TO GO, MATT!!!
Avenue A | Razorfish, ZAAZ, and POP are just some of the Seattle-based interactive marketing agencies that would provide design, development, and performance marketing at a far superior level.
For example, Expo 62 hired the same branding and print gurus behind REI and Starbucks packaging and displays you see every day. However, for some reason Intracorp hired web developers that didn't even know that they needed to separate their meta keyword list with commas... search "expo 62 condos" on Google and you will see that expo62.com is nowhere near 1st position. In fact, try the same search without quotes and my own blog is 1st.
Excellent point!!! Seattle marketing firms are nearing the bottom end of the gene pool when considering intelligence levels - or should I say lack there of? Leslie Williams, owner of Williams Marketing, should seriously consider hiring people that have at minimum an 8th-grade education. The problem with that you ask? With that would come employees that can actually "think" beyond the immediate 2 minutes of consequences before them, or "one up" the highest level of managerial intelligence within that hell hole they call a "company."
PWNED...and cowardly that they posted anonymously